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[edit] Thanks

Cc 17:28, 23 June 2009 Just a quick note: Thanks for updating my biography of sorts so professionally, Robbie. ;) It's fun to have something official such as a biography such as this, used as a "internet presence" among the spanking community. I appreciate putting the time and work into it! Thank you! :D

[edit] CC-BY-SA

Hi RobM, just to make sure: you got permission from Nami at Spanking-movie.jp to license two of her images under CC-BY-SA? On her site is stated: "I never agree to following action ; transferring the contents of this site, using them in any style and places and make changes on them." Likewise, the copyrighted Cutie Spankee images you licensed under CC-BY. --Spankart 10:17, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah, it seems I misunderstood the lisence then, I thought that CC-BY didn't require permission, it only needed accreditation. Does that mean either Template:PD-US is better, or the images should simply be removed? Colourful as they are, I knew they'd be problematic - but okay - based on my pigeons understanding of Legalese and implied... stuff. Remove 'em if you think thats better, I'm fairly poor at this Wiki stuff so most of everything I've done so far appears to be in need to work -__-.

RobM 18:28, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh yes, that's a misunderstanding then. Any copyrighted work can only be put under any license (GFDL, CC-whatever, ...) by the copyright owner (or with explicit permission from the copyright owner). Remember that a free license means that the copyright owner is voluntarily giving up some of his rights - e.g. the CC-BY license is very liberal, it allows any use of the work (including alterations and commercial use) as long as the user gives credit to the original author or artist. So if we don't have permission from the copyright owners we can't use the images here and I'm afraid I have to delete them. I'm assuming this applies to all Spanking-movie.jp and Cutie Spankee images you uploaded. What about Image:Animespankingarchivebanner.jpg - the banner image is probably created by JadeWind, did he give permission to place it under the GFDL?

Yeah, that ones fine, besides, he ripped the picture of Lawrence in the first place ^^;;;. I'm off to start linking the ASA site to what I can in the SpWiki, I've got one or two more pages to create and edit. I also got Cross's permission to use her pictures for Devotion and Geomancer on the relevent page. Is there a liscence for "Permission given to be used on the Wiki, but no-where else?", otherwise I think they're public domain, but I'd rather she had a little more protection if possible. RobM 17:03, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

No, unfortunatly a license that allows use only here in this wiki is not permissible because the idea of having a wiki under a copyleft license is that others can reuse the contents, including images, in any way they want as long as they retain the license; this explicitly allows commercial use and alterations - two things many artists may not feel comfortable with. So there are only two options: if an artist is willing to put their work under one of the permissible licenses mentioned on image use policy, we can use the image, otherwise we can't. As an artist I'd rather license my artwork under a copyleft license (the GFDL or CC-BY-SA or both) than releasing it to the public domain, which means that the copyright holder has irrevocably released all rights to it. --Spankart 08:31, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Location of discussion page

• RobM talk page is stored here!

Sorry, but it is not common to use the article namespace for user discussions. For one, the article's discussion page is for discussing the article, not for talking with the user of the same name. Secondly, you will not get the notification box when someone writes on Talk:RobM - whereas you will have seen this box now that I wrote here. It would be really better to use this page as your user talk page. --Spankart 10:59, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't know how to move it, I've tried but it won't copy over. I'm very poor at WikiCodes. If there's no other way and you really want, I'll just copy/paste the text over and update the links. If you know an easier way, or know how to get the 'move' to work, please do it. I wanna set an auto redirect from RobM to User:RobM as well, every time I do it I just get a page can't be displayed error. RobM 18:16, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I copied the contents over (see above) - that should be all. We shouldn't redirect from RobM to User:RobM though. The first is our article on you and the second is your personal user page. If you currently have no need for a user page, it would be possible to redirect from User:RobM to the article RobM - you could achieve that by entering #redirect[[RobM]] on User:RobM - however such a thing is likely to confuse people who think they are on your user page while they actually ended up on the article... --Spankart 08:47, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi RobM, as I said above: We shouldn't redirect from RobM to User:RobM. If you really want, you can redirect from User:RobM to the article RobM (although a non-redirecting link would be better to avoid confusion), but never the other way round because that is never done in wikis as it would make confusion perfect. Can I change it to the proper way? Spankart 22:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure, if you must - although I still don't see why not. You can put a non redirecting link on my user if you think it appropriate - but I have to be honest in not seeing why. Is it just convention? RobM 21:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's a convention, and it's a good convention because it helps to avoid confusion as your user page is fundamentally different from our article about you. The user page and the user talk page belong together, they are both in the user namespace, whereas the article and the article talk page also belong together, they are both in the article namespace. Redirects should only be used within the article namespace, e.g. from Robm to RobM, so wrong links will get to the expected page. I made the change, it should be fine now. Thanks, Spankart 21:41, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jennings

Hi Rob, I started a stub article at Jennings - would you like to add more on it? Spankart 22:43, 7 April 2008 (BST)

[edit] Multiple links

a page should only me linked to on the first usage of the word on the page. the only time the link should be repeated is if the first ink is buried within text in a non obvious way and then a secon link in See also section if it is important related link. --Roguebfl ^(talk) 23:22, 23 June 2009 (BST)

Erm? Yes? And? So what. I've probably made that mistake roughly once or twice. I have been editing this Wiki for several years and other Wiki's for about the same. Pretty please don't patronise me like I'm a nine-year old, I *do* know what I'm doing even if I do make basic mistakes infrequently.

RobM 23:26, 23 June 2009 (BST)

I'm not patronize you, but it the second time I found this mistake two so I was giving a reminder. Just like the reminder you gave when a sliped up on an image a while back. Slip ups happened, reminders help. --Roguebfl ^(talk) 23:37, 23 June 2009 (BST)

[edit] Kemal

Some provocative Junk

I have no interets in dialogue with you, whatsoever. My personal life is of no concern of yours and no I have no obligation to justify myself or explain myself to you or anyone for any reason. Stop whining at me with your personal stuff, we have a word for you in western culture - Emo. Highly emotional with a tendancy to complain to people who have no interest about whatever bothers you. And, may God forbid it, when they show no interest in your personal obsession you scream at that that you're being persecuted. I have no interest in you, bending this wiki to suit your bias or fueling your desire for attention. Here is a reality check: If you don't go around on the internet announcing who and what you are, maybe it wouldn't be picked up on. If you'd simply come to this site and stated you believed that we must censor our academic material based on your personal bias no-one would have cared. Instead you started indicating where you can from and why you held these views - DELIBERATELY associating your culture with topics you KNEW we'd find both distasteful and disresecptful.

At this point, I am 30% convinved you are a white-racist engaged on yet another False_flag#Ideological| Operation. Not the first I've personally seen on the internet. I do believe your time on this site will be shorter than you know. RobM 00:53, 11 July 2009 (BST)

What's more—if I may add—the response you received would have been the same if you where someone from our culture, and unfortunately we do have people that share the same unfounded views. The only thing that was tailored to your culture was Rob's parting phrase. And I'm sure Rob would have used the cultural equivalents if you had come from any other culture. --Roguebfl ^(talk) 01:26, 11 July 2009 (BST)

[edit] Welcome to the admin team

Welcome to the admin team, Rob! --Spankart ^(talk) 11:52, 15 August 2009 (BST)

[edit] Interviews?

So, is it my imagination or did you say you were gonna give 'er a go on taking over the interviews? I hope so, it's one of my favorite parts of the site. If there's something I can do to assist, let me know and I'll try to help out. And, dude, you know who your first interview oughta' be with? Spankart! :) Thanks Candice Critic 23:57, 29 August 2009 (BST)

Could do, could do. Although it might take more than a year with his current online schedule. At the moment I am in the middle of three interviews and they seem to be going well... I don't know how deep or probing they are, of course. I'm glad to hear you're looking forward to them. RobM 00:51, 30 August 2009 (BST)

Awesome possum. I hope I didn't bug you too much with my excitement or suggestion. Which, I suppose, suggests that I do hope that I bugged you a little, or just enough. Anyway... Any chance at hints as to who you're questioning? Is one of them an author? Much as I love the visual arts, literature is my passion. Anyway, thanks and happy interviewing. Candice Critic 05:47, 31 August 2009 (BST)

No authors as of this moment. I only know of one good one, really and I don't think he'd make a great candidate - he's far too private - but I'm always open to the idea. I'm currently interviewing three artists. Cc, Aprion and Sakura. All from AotK. I like the idea of interviewing spankart and after the current round I'll ask him. Some others I'd be interested in interviewing would be Kamitora and Handprince. RobM 15:15, 31 August 2009 (BST)

Nice choices. I'm particularly a fan of Cc. Too bad on the no authors bit, but that's just the way it goes I guess. I can't complain, I did, after all, manage to interview Haley (one of my favorites.) ;) Candice Critic 17:00, 31 August 2009 (BST)

Hi, thanks for the comment and congrats on my new page just now. Believe it or not I did use preview when I first wrote (which took a long time as it was a whole page) but afterwards Roguebfl sat down with me and went over it with me. Correcting a bunch of stuff that I missed or wasnt to standard. Thats why all the edits.

sorry.

Toyloli 17:21, 10 May 2010 (BST)

[edit] Artist profile help

Duplicating this here cause its been over 24 hours (i think) and you seam to come on more often than spankart.

okay - so I thought I'd run this by you first.

I've been talking to the comic writer RedDragon, who wrote and commissioned the comic series Jade growing up again for which there is a wiki on this site. I think I have him convinced into letting me create a wiki page about him and he's been telling me stuff about himself, the commissions, things he's written and commissioned in the past etc.

Now I have a few questions,

1. Is it okay for me to create a page for somebody else like that or does he have to make the page himself (he isn't too keen on that idea)
2. I have a picture he commissioned from an artist - but I have no way to contact the artist. Does permission from the comissioner count as permission to redistribute.
3. because my conversation with him has been like an interview, am I allowed to 'quote' sections of it as bulk like a proper interview in a newspaper?

Response apreciated in advance. Toyloli 12:38, 15 May 2010 (BST)

Heyas. Spankart is very... infrequent in his response times due to RL pressure, I'm sure he'll get back to your query as best he can, in the mean time I can probably provide a few answers - which is in no way a full summary of do's-and-don'ts. This wiki has some policy statements which boil down to "Just about everything is fair game, anything you do on the internet or gets printed about you somewhere can and will be used against you in a wiki of lol." By and large I try to err on the side of keeping some dignity for the subject.

To answer your questions...

1) Sure its okay to create a wiki article on someone else, the idea is that its written by someone else - hopefully in an objective manner, its double cool to do it for him if he's not keen on the idea of doing it himself. Of course if you meant to say that he's not keen on the idea of an article about himself, then its quite bad to use personal information stuff you learned from him in an article. Then again, its quite bad form to include lots of sensitive personal information about someone on the internet in any context~ So best of luck with that~ Its highly adviced to create a new article, this is not a site with a jade-chan wiki on it, but a wiki with an over-balanced article. Despite what some people believe, this wiki is bigger than one single comic of lolishota porn.

2) Absolutely not, the copyright is retained either by the comissioner or by the comissioned artist depending by their specific arrangement with each other. Artists usually retain all rights to the picture regardless of if it was a comission so the comissioner has only the rights to use it for his purposes, not the rights to release it into the public domain or to relinquish all rights to the picture without the artists consent.

3) For the love of all thats warm and heartening, please don't. One or two small, very small illustrative quotes can be beneficial to an article. In the case of say, Gauis Marius they can be a complete, unfunny eyesore with one mans attempts to prove he's not a newfag in the face of really well justified condemnation from ED. If you think you could do an interview of him, read the ones this site already has and try it - but don't post either great bulks of text or quote it - especially if they weren't solicited from him knowing it'd be used in either an article or an interview. A casual chat is not and interview and its terrible academia (but brilliant wikipedo'ing!) to re-write it to shape a purpose. So yah, my opinion, articles can be easily ruined by too much quoting.

Btw, you should use the four Tildes (~) to sign, rather than writing your own each time. It creates a false impression because firstly you arn't signed in so your edits could have been by anyone impersonating you and secondly the edit log has a contridictory time-stamp to the date and time you're using so this can lead to confusion. RobM 22:35, 15 May 2010 (BST)

Hai Hai! The reason for the sig thing is cause I copy-pasted from spankarts talk when I didnt get a reply.

As for permissions, RedDragon has stated that he doesnt mind there being a wiki about him (It'll mostly be about stuff he's written or done in the past) but that he doesnt like contributing to wiki's himself cause it comes off (and I quote) "And the lord said it was done" whenever he tries to do it. :P

PPS; while I know full well this wiki is predominately about spanking I take partial offence to JGUG being called 'porn'. Shotacon, lolicon yes sortof. But there is nothing porn about it. Yes there is some casual nudity but almost always in a pre or post spanking context. There is nothing erotic about the comic imo.

Or would you be comfortable with me going and putting a 'porn' label on every comic or picture referenced by this website that has any form of nudity?

<_< Toyloli 03:30, 16 May 2010 (BST)

Adding something just as a comment - cause I know I snapped just now. My introduction to the spanking genre was via the rejuve universe stories. I took an interest in it cause I believe in spanking as a tool for discipline and not as something erotic for 'play' like some people do. Now I know that there is a LOT of content on this website that has absolutely zero to do with the rejuve stuff but that is my interest. And not just the RedDragon comics.

Actual Wikipedia when it talks about a comic, novel, set of stories or show does a breakdown like that of characters and a brief overview of synopsis. I have full intention of going over stories, comics etc mentioned in this wiki and expanding on any information there with any knowledge that I have. This is not just RD's comic that I plan to do this to, but I will have to confess that most of the stuff I'll be working on will be related to the Rejuve Universe as I have no interest or information on spanking in an entertainment context like many of the things on this site talk about.

I also plan on putting in some information on actual use of spanking historically for controlling kids (not erotic uses) but I wanted to do some reading up and stuff first and check whats already on the wiki before blundering in.

Toyloli 03:56, 16 May 2010 (BST)

It's porn. It's about nude children, big erect shota penis's, little wet loli-pussies slick with fluids, its drawn by a pornographer who draws almost nothing but hardcore and softcore porn all day long for money. Oh and anything commisioned by, drawn for or aimed at spanko's which contains spanking is erotic material. Thousands of men across the planet fap themselves into a coma at this Jade Rejuve comic - you can claim to be different but it doesn't make it not porn. A designer of french underwear might only buy a dirty magazine because of a professional curiousity about suspender-belts - but its still porn. For your information, lots of people are only into spanking for its discipline or punishment angle, I'm one of them, but I don't deny I'm a spanko, thats the nature of the fetish, your own personal kinks vary wildly within sadomasochisim.

If you want to claim you are only into spanking for the punishment of children though, you can GTFO this wiki right now. This is NOT a child-spanking only wiki, this is not a guide or a tutorial site for rearing or raising children and despite containing information cataloguing some of that data this is a resource for spanko's, not parents and I'll see it turned into a playhouse for bias or unbias pro-child punishers over my dead body. Anything resembling step-by-step guides or material advocating the punishment of real children is NOT welcome and I'll die before it is. This wiki is an amazing resource for spankos, spanking roleplayers, spanking artists, spanking authors, consensual spankos, confused spankos looking for information on their kinks, spankos looking for their history, general history, doing spanking research and even people trying to understand spanko's mentality and in the future I hope it could be even better for those goals. I don't mind vanilla editors, I welcome them, but I have a pet hate for closet-spankos into child spanking scenarios who claim its only an academic interest, left unchecked by the common-sense test they go around wrecking articles better than any troll.

By all means create articles, but my advice is do nothing unless you're going to be able to accept being a spanko and remember that the rejuve articles are on this wiki like any article on any wiki are to be an informative source with information for the casual reader and artists/authors who want to do work in this field and not an article about the benefits of rejuve, its likely real-life effectiveness and page after page advocating it both to the casual reader or to other spanko's. RobM 08:20, 16 May 2010 (BST)

Calm down. Seriously - what kind of behaviour do you call that?

.......

As for your descriptions - you clearly have never read the comic. Yes he does a lot of porn but that comic is not drawn in a porn format. There is casual nudity but no detail and nothing more than I've seen in half the spanking work published on this wiki. But I was purposely *not* wanting to harp on the comic, I can tell you took offence to it and already made up your mind about it.

Not everyone who is into spanking scenarios has a purely sexual intent and view of it and while I know that a large number in the adult-spanking camp do have that view - you need to understand that the ones fapping off to child spanking pics are usually pedos/lolicons/shotacons or something and dont give a fap to the fact that the children are being spanking.

You think child spanking is porn or sick? Thats cause you have a sexualised view of spanking. Whether this is common or not is irrellivent. You are clearly looking at these pictures with an expectations of what you want to see.

The majority of Child Spanking works are not usually intended to be sexualised. Not everybody who is into child spanking is a pedo and not everyone who creates these pics is a pedo. Leaving pietro out of this - to blatently claim All people with interests in child spanking works have a sexual interest in them is a slurr and an exageration. The majority dont. The majority just want the smug satisfaction of seeing a kid get what they so richly deserve!

... You could almost think of it as a kind of sado-machoism. But with a more parental spin ...

Anyhow, Please - dont go throwing labels around.

If you havent got anything nice to say then keep it to yourself.

New Topic

Believe it or not I happen to like this wiki and have looked over a LOT of the content here. The stupid irony is that many of the articles that are any good are ones discussing tools or techniques. At the moment hun your wiki is nothing but a howto and a howto for adult spankos. Thats why I was wanting to look at and focus on the articles about stories, comics, artists etc. Virtually all the well written pages on this site are about the what and how of spanking tools and techniques.

No offence - but I would have thought you'd welcome having the rest of the wiki looked at or expanded upon. Make it can look and like a well rounded wiki instead of a guidebook for adult spanking enthusiasts?

Toyloli 10:05, 16 May 2010 (BST)

I'm very glad you agree that see it as a howto for adult spanko's. Please try to follow this pattern and not break it. As I stated before, I'm very much into punishment and actually not into erotic spankings hardly at all. I'll go further and state that child/parent scenarios are my favourite of all and most stories I've written and most of the artwork I've drawn is of this type - often involving full or parti-- sorry, I meant casual nudity. I'm fully aware of the difference between fantasy and reality, between real and fictional and between fapping about children and fapping about spanking. Nevertheless I don't attempt to water down my fetish by claiming that its not erotic and not pornography. I don't give a flying kipper whether it offends you or not, if you want to claim that the Jade rejuve comic isn't either porn or erotic material then I think you are a retard. Its probably the most exploitative, sexualised, BDSM themed comic I've ever seen, if you were truely objective you'd be able see that.

Immaterial, you asked three questions and got three perfectly straight and I believe correct answers, I've only picked you up on your absurd statetment and I stand by it - The Jade rejuve comic is porn. I didn't say it was childporn or that anyone who reads it is a pedophile so don't try and put words in my mouth, I assure you I'm one of the most tolerant persons you'll find when you leave rejuve forums. Most adult discipline or erotic spanko's would tear you in half for your beliefs.

As for articles, I already said feel free to create them but I'll repeat my warning (which is a stand wiki warning) to avoid creating articles based on advocation or step-by-step guides of child spanking. Your hysteria that I was accusing you of being a lifetime N*MBL*A member aside I believe I made a very valid statement. If you claim not to be a spanko, then from your words I believe that seems to make you either a pro-child-spanker or an advocate of spanking for child rearing or someone interested in creating articles based on child spanking - articles whole or in part that are step-by-step guides to child rearing or advocating spanking are completely unwelcome as they sound like they'll be steeped in bias, subjective and pushing your pet agenda.

Addressing the balance of too much adult/erotic spanking material involves increasing the ageplay, roleplay and history articles to make better, informative aids for the creation of better spanking art and the furthering of consensual activity. Spankart can clarifiy his own beliefs himself as I can't speak for him but I don't believe that adding parenting articles or articles about real children is the correct way to correct the imbalance you see. RobM 11:31, 16 May 2010 (BST)

o.o

hysteria .... [throws hands in the air and walks away]

You were the one who got onto a soapbox and started ranting at me and saying that everyone interested in that comic was fapping at naked kids! >_>

Your behaviour and responses have been heated, over the top and completely uncalled for. I think you yourself need to temper your responses, think about what your typing and learn that they arent the only ones. You 'say' your only interested in spanking as a disciplinary side and yet you repeatedly harp that spanking is purely erotic. That totally makes no sense.

Any why the hell do you keep going on about "Parenting Articles".......

...... Where and when did anyone say anything about posting stuff on parenting ? ? ? ? ?

<_<

You make zero sense and clearly all you want to do is rant and see stereotypes

End of the conversation. Toyloli 12:34, 16 May 2010 (BST)

Just to inject a little sanity here, let me begin with a bit of a "RobM Disclaimer." He really is a great guy, but he has a sometimes unfortunate inclination towards hyperbole mixed with all the absolute self assurance of a bull elephant surveying his domain. In this case, the domain is semantics. Disagreeing with his word choice is a pretty surefire way to elicit a highly caustic and literate response.

RobM, when you are posting responses to things people have written, and then bring in things outside of the conversation that is taking place without clearly saying what you are responding to, don't be surprised if people become confused and frustrated with you.

Toyloli, Robm is referring to some of your other posts, such as the four steps article. The detailed description of the process, in the tone it is delivered, reads like a how to guide on doing it, and that sets off alarm bells, as that sort of thing messes with some sort of 'wiki culture' I am certain exists, but I am largely unfamiliar with. As near as I can figure, wikis are generally not supposed to include 'how to' guides because they can be edited by anybody, and some prankster could get people hurt by screwing with the instructions.

Now that that is out of the way, and hopefully things are a bit more calm, let me say that most of RobM's actual, on topic responses looked reasonable. The trick to reading RobM is that you have to filter out anything that is inflammatory. After that has been done, I've generally found that the man is making a good point about things. On quotes, I would translate that as saying that snippets can be used, but a flowing narrative expressing the same points will read better than a long quote from an interview or chat. Do I have that right, RobM?

As this is, indeed, the spankART wiki, I think adding pages about artists and artwork sounds like a fine thing. In fact, I would go farther and call it a good idea! TimmyTheWiz 13:25, 16 May 2010 (BST)

[huggles the timmy]

I'm quickly starting to gather that and thanks for the headup. I may have to alter the page then cause the intention and understanding (As I thought I had clearly said in the page) was that I have seen and read that technique in MANY spanking stories, both Adult spanking and Child spanking. I was documenting the the historical origins of the technique as so many spanking stories use it even if they dont know the background or (in some cases) the name.

As for my future posts. There will be similar things. Items, techniques, conventions that I have seen in comics or art for discipline (Not the erotic use of spanking) I plan on going into if it isnt on here or whats on here is basically a stub. That way the information is there for people looking for ideas.

Toyloli 15:14, 16 May 2010 (BST)

Thanks Timmy. Toyloli, please read up on wikipedia and Spanking art wiki policy - specificially the parts about what wikipedia is NOT. As I have repeatedly stated repeatedly but must make clearer, wikipedia and wiki's are not howto guides, tutorials or repository of techniques and articles that read as step-by-step guides on the discipline of children is in keeping with policy. Articles that read "The parent should then" and "The parent must now" and is written in the future tense is not encyclopediac. I would insist that in fact not even the adult spanking articles are written in this manner; for refernce, look at Taken In Hand or domestic discipline to see that these are encyclopedia entries with no more and no less information than the homosexual articles.

I've been trying to point out - in vain it seems - that to a spanko all things are relative. People who are into punishment and discipline scenarios like me and you are still Stimulated by this material despite the absense of what you label erotic spankings. By using the term erotic as a double parallel I seem to have clouded the issue. My point is and always has been that relavant to the kink and fetish level of the individual spanko there is no such thing as a non-erotic interest IF they are a spanko. If you want to deny being a spanko of any kind, that is entirely your choice, but if you want to claim a liking to Jadechan as an artistic and academic endeavor with no in spanking of any kind I cannot morally or ethically believe it to be true. You don't have to reply and justify your beliefs about yourself

[edit] Vindictive ?????

Rob, you are the one who started attacking and insulting me cause I support a comic you are determined to hate. And dont deny it, I've heard from Rogue, reddragon and the wiz that you were responsible for having the comic removed from animeotk and tried to get it removed from here. You are the one who is being vindictive about this and the post I was making to the discussions section was NOT targeted at you. Flipping well read what your deleting and stop thinking only about yourself. I havent done anything to attack you - you have been attacking me - and I have been extremely patient but I am slowly begginning to lose that patience.

Since.

~ Toyloli 05:12, 18 May 2010 (BST)

Inncorrect on all counts. I had nothing whatsoever to do with the removal of the comic from AotK, only in the mind of Loki Darksong did such a mythical nonesense take on fact. Fully eighty-two seperate members logged via the comments system disgust, revulsion and claims that the site was being flooded with childporn... at which point Loki piped up "RobM must be behind this, he's behind everything I didn't like - even if he isn't, he's a moderator so he's responsible for everything that goes on!!" No matter how many times I protested it wasn't true and pointed to the litterally DOZENS of violent complaints several people who don't like me - mainly loki - joined the chorus of "It's all his fault! He's organising these hundred people to make complaints!"

I wasn't even the one who removed it from the site and I'm frankly astonished that even Timmy who knows this story would tell you differently. In the admin sections of the AotK site I argued for months that adult-spanko artists not as tolerant as me of child-spanking material were being madely deeply uncomfortable with the comic and was ignored.

The final straw came after the Week of Discontentment where about sixty people flooded the webmasters inbox with complaints and a number of artists - including five of our very best - stated that either the comic was removed within two days or they would leave AotK forever. The webmasters took the decision, not me. Months later Loki (who has a personal grudge against me not disimilar to yours) was still telling anyone who would listen that I was the secret mastermind of smoke and mirrors behind it all. The lie stuck, but its not true in the slightest.

Next, you claim not to be vindictive after calling me a bigot, a jerk, god-knows what else and making multiple flaming posts for the sake of it. Thats hopeless indefensible. Respect me or not I am a SySops of this wiki with four years editing, when I tell you to stop reverting my changes and inserting personal attacks two moderators have agreed is Unproductive - you will do it. RobM 10:40, 18 May 2010 (BST)

[edit] Your behaviour

Rob, I do not approve of your behaviour displayed here ("If you (...) you can GTFO this wiki right now"), here (deleting Toyloli's opposing view of your view that the spanking comic Jade growing up again was loli/shota porn) and your continued reverts here and here. Deleting a person's postings on a talk page is something that can be approved in the case of grave personal attacks -- I don't see this the case here ("bigoted and undenlightened individual").

I will not allow you to damage the friendly culture of this wiki with aggressive speech and escalating (rather than deescalating) behaviour in cases where you and some other user have different points of view. This is not the first time that your lack of self-restraint in word choice has hurt the feelings constructive and peaceful wiki contributors (previous ones were this (calling RHumphrey's image uploads "crap") and this ("shit, bullshit, fuck" and other swearwords, shouting IN CAPS).

Apparently we need to add behavioral guidelines to this wiki. For a start, I suggest we use those on Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Etiquette, Wikipedia:Civility, Wikipedia:Assume good faith and Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers. Please read those. If you find yourself unable to agree to, or unwilling to follow these behaviour guidelines (Be polite ... Be careful in choosing the words you write ... Be careful of how you interpret what you read ... Work towards agreement ... Recognize your own biases, and keep them in check ... etc.), I would like to ask you to leave the wiki as such behaviour is damaging to our wiki culture.

I hate having to be your moderator in this conflict, but it seems I got no other choice. The first thing I will do is to rollback the page to the state before the editwar, and the second thing is that I would like to suggest that both you and Toyloli take a break from this wiki for, say, a week -- and then come back. I do not want to block any of you two right now, I would prefer you to take that break on your own. --Spankart ^(talk) 11:08, 18 May 2010 (BST)

Huggles the spankart.

I am and have been trying to keep this civil and I do apologise for letting this get out of hand. I have the distinct opinion I should have gotten a hold of you long before it go this far. I am also willing to edit that comment I had written on the Jade Growing up Again talk page, but I do insist I feel it should be there.

I really am sorry for letting things get this out of hand, and I hope to prove I can be productive to the wiki.

Sinc, Toyloli 11:20, 18 May 2010 (BST)

Feel free to edit your own posting in any way that helps in deescalating the conflict (and use new signature timestamp when doing so). --Spankart ^(talk) 11:34, 18 May 2010 (BST)