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[edit] Helen Burns and recent jpeg image

1. Should the recently posted artwork Image:EDITORIAL UNION JACK GUY.jpg even be on this site? It's an unrelated advertisement placed by the artist and adds nothing to the site.

2. Should "Helen Burns", a minor character from a novel, have a separate web page? Who is searching for Helen Burns? She's in Jane Eyre which has no page of its own. Wouldn't it be better to just list the novel?

3. Having frequent problems getting to the main page. Keep getting a message saying the page is "temporarily unavailable". I don't know if this is due to site maintenance or some kind of glitch at the site. Jameslovebirch 00:32, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi Jameslovebirch. 1) I agree. We have no policy about such cases, but I think we can delete it as I can't see any use in this image on this wiki either. 2) I agree and have started a discussion to the same end on Talk:Helen Burns. 3) I get different error messages at such times (such as 503, 404, "Spanking Art has a problem" etc.) and often just a blank page. It has nothing to do with the main page, as far as I can tell the problem affects the whole wiki. 10 minutes later it usually works again. And then again it stops working, etc. My guess is that the servers are often temporarily overloaded, but maybe User:Ai could tell us more about what's happening and what's the cause. --Spankart ^(talk) 21:51, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

With #3 IIRC the issue is the load on the SQL server, not it is not limited to the wiki, but effects all of Ai hosted's sites at the same time, Except Handprints and Boyz Being Boyz which do not use SQL. —Roguebfl ^(talk) 22:20, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the problem is the mysql service. The current server is struggling to cope with the ammount of visitors all my sites are now getting and preiodically the mysql service overloads as it runs out of ram. I do have plans in the pipework to move to a new and more powerful server, but finincial difficulties are making that hard. For now I'll just keep tweaking the mySQL configuration and seeing if there is anything I can to do make it a bit more stable. -Ai 04:30, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the info and thanks for looking into it. --Spankart ^(talk) 20:56, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Horsed Image

I understand preferring the historic image for the article, but the image was also used on your own page, wold you consent to it being restored for that purpose? —Roguebfl ^(talk) 01:07, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually I wanted to delete it from the wiki, I had just forgotten to remove it from the Spankart article. --Spankart ^(talk) 08:45, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Re. Traditional School Type Birching Position image recently added to the Wiki and to "Eton" page

Dear Spankart

I have had second thoughts about the above image which I recently uploaded. Having considered the provisions on obscenity published in the wiki's legal terms, I feel the image crosses the boundary, and I should not have uploaded it. I am the author of the image, and I classified it as PD. Also, I feel it does not add anything of value to the article. The Eton flogging block and how it was used are very well described in the text, combined with the existing drawing image. The lurid detail shown in my photograph is better left to the imagination. I would be grateful if you would be so kind as to delete the image from the article and from the wiki.

many thanks for your help and cooperation

yours

Cphistorian

No worries, I was just going to delete the image but Roguebfl was faster than me! --Spankart ^(talk) 10:10, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks for your prompt response and action.

Cphistorian

[edit] M/F Pairings in film lists

This is regarding the newly added M/F pairings in the "Spanking in motion picture" page. I've added greatly to this list and also took the time to add pairing symbols for all the non-M/F scenes that I knew of. Since 90% are male-female scenes anyway, it just looks cluttered (and distracting) to have M/F abbreviations after nearly every title. I would greatly prefer to leave them off and instead put in a note at the top of the list saying something like: "All spanking scenes are M/F unless otherwise indicated." That way the list is just as accurate but more streamlined and easier on the eyes. Jameslovebirch 15:18, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I moved this discussion to Talk:Spanking in motion picture. --Spankart ^(talk) 10:11, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Age disclaimer statement page, etc.

Regarding the Teenager page (Misuse of Term section), a couple of important legal issues should be mentioned here (and at other age-related pages).

(1) First, it should be mentioned that not only does a performer in an adult fetish (or porn) video have to be over 18, but also the character he/she is playing. All depictions of children (17 or younger) are illegal in adult films made in the U.S. I'm not sure what year this went into effect (possibly 1995 when 18 U.S.C. 2257 appeared) but would want to include that date. The year is important as older videos exist with adults playing children that appear to be exempt from prosecution. (Also not sure about how this law applies to videos made outside of the U.S. -- another subtopic in itself.)

Many companies of course test this boundary with ambiguous girl and schoolgirl characters who may or may not be 18. Some play it safe by mentioning they're 18 in the dialog or switching from high school to a college setting. The more reputable companies like Raven Hill add a secondary disclaimer at the beginning of their films that says no character is being depicted as being under 18. (A complete copy of that satement might we worth posting as well -- which brings us to item #2).

(2) The 18 U.S.C. 2257 Record-Keeping Requirements Compliance Statement, aka 18 U.S.C. Section 2257 Compliance Notice. As you know, since 1995 adult material (films, websites, magazines, etc.) must include a boiler plate statement that the actors were over 18 with "proof on file" and the address of the custodian of records, etc. (I know there's a link to another website at the Child pornography page, but that doesn't seem good enough -- plus the Child page is only concerned with artwork and ignores the issue of adult videos altogether.)

I think it would be worthwhile to create a separate page about the compliance statement itself and include a sample copy like the one I've provided below ("website" could be changed to "video"). There are many variations, long and short, but this is the best example I've seen.

The problem is what do you call it? "18 U.S.C. Section 2257 Compliance Notice" is not a catchy title and may not be best in terms to reaching people doing searches. Whatever name is likely to get the most search hits is always the best title.

18 U.S.C. 2257 Record-Keeping Requirements Compliance Statement

All models, actors, actresses and other persons that appear in any visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct appearing or otherwise contained in this website were over the age of eighteen years at the time of the creation of such depictions.

Some visual depictions displayed on this website are exempt from the provision of 18 U.S.C. Section 2257 and 28 C.F.R. 75 because said visual depictions do not consist of depictions of conduct as specifically listed in 18 U.S.C. Section 2257 (2) (A) through (D), but are merely depictions of non-sexually explicit nudity, or are depictions of simulated sexual conduct, or are otherwise exempt because the visual depictions were created prior to July 3, 1995.

With respect to all visual depictions displayed on this website, whether of actual sexually explicit conduct, simulated sexual conduct or otherwise, all persons in said visual depictions were at least eighteen years of age when said visual depictions were created.

The original records required pursuant to 18 U.S.C. Section 2257 and 28 C.F.R. 75 for materials contained in this website are kept by the appropriate Custodian of Records as listed below:

Jameslovebirch 23:53, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I would suggest a lemma such as Legal issues for adult media or Legal issues for adult material. That page could discuss not only adult videos but also adult magazines, adult websites, etc., and it could be expanded for other countries. --Spankart ^(talk) 09:22, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Picasa Uploaded

SpankArt are you recently uploaded 5 images you found on picasa under CC-BY-SA, but forgot to name the artist, that is a requirement of the license... —Roguebfl ^(talk) 22:44, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I will add it. --Spankart ^(talk) 07:46, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Are you really quite sure that ninjaleaf3 and this mr gigs person are in fact the artists? I find it really very unlikely indeed. Both of them have multiple galleries filled with a mixture of anime screencaps, commercial wallpapers, scans from magazines and CG reciprical art from japanese computer games - a few of them I recognise - and a lot of original art tagged and copywrited to at least five different artists.

I think you'll find that in both cases the pictures you've just uploaded are from someones "Really cute pictures I found on the Internet" folder and are not in any way the uploaders own work. RobM 16:43, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

It could well be so. The question is, what procedure should we follow when we search for CC-BY-SA licensed images and find such images but can not find out the name of the artist. Picasa apparently has a way for uploaders to publish images under Creative Commons licenses but does not force them to provide the artist information. I think in this scenario we must make a decision: Either we assume on good faith that a) the license information is legally correct and b) that the uploader of the image is the artist. Or if we have reason to believe the image is a copyright infringement we should decide not to use it. Alternatively, in such scenarios we could also write "Artist's name unknown, image provided under CC-BY-SA 3.0 license by *name* at *source*" and leave the responsibility to that person. Or we could establish a procedure to try to contact the uploader to find out whether they are the artist themselves or what the artist's name is -- and if we don't get a reply we should not use the image. --Spankart ^(talk) 19:57, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Whats wrong with common sense, why do we need another committee on it? Just because Picasa is one of those 'a bit like creative commons' site and has a database which encourages the uploading of free license pictures doesn't mean we ought to blindly assume that everything anyone banned from flickr and photobucket for spammage has stuck in one of 28 galleries of cute girl pics is not only the artist but has also allowed full usage. I raise the point because I'd have thought it obvious hiddenleaf wasn't the artist. He's got 28 galleries of pictures by dozens upon dozens of different artists, companies and sources. Images from games, images from magazines, images with Japanese text, images with spanish text etc etc. You only ever apply "Good faith" as you put it when it comes to beliving something a specific person has told you - you should never assume "Good faith" just because of an originating website. Hell, for one example: I don't trust wikipedia one-inch. If an individual contributer told me something directly I might be prepared to believe it in good faith, but I'd never believe anything just from the basis of what site it comes from. If Hiddenleaf eMailed you to say that he was the artist (I still wouldn't believe him) then thats one thing... but just because its been uploaded to a CC-BY-SA website is meaningless~

I think its a very safe assumption these are just users with 20 or more galleries of 'Cute things I found on the interwebs'. RobM 20:29, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I think you are right and in this case it would be a waste of time to contact the uploader, so we should go for the decision "we have reason to believe the image is a copyright infringement and decide not to use it". I will delete the images. But as I said, we may want to think about a general procedure to apply in such a case, so we can save future discussions. After all there are not just 6 but thousands of potentially useful CC-licensed images out on the Web. --Spankart ^(talk) 22:10, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Re: The images I uploaded

Trueth is the two posts I made here were my first attempts wiki-ing. I didn't really know what I was doing and Roguebfl helped me with what he could (I'm a friend of his elsewhere) How do I go about correcting the image details and what exactly should I put there? (ps; all the images I uploaded are owned by me so i dont know where that puts what) --Toyloli ^(talk)

No worries, I can do it for you. Would you like me to put them under the same license as you did in the Last Cycle cardset images? --Spankart ^(talk) 09:24, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Name change

Hi, I created my account using a screen name I use on many spanking related sites, which is danny1xx when I realize now that I should have used the name I put on my spanking art , which is Danny M. Is there a way I can change my account name or you can change it? I would like for that name to be associated with art I upload rather than the one I used. I appreciate any help you can give me on this.

Hi Danny, unfortunately it is technically not possible for us to change an account name as far as I know. I suggest you to create a new account and leave a note on your first account's user page saying that you are the same person. Or if you want, we can also delete the images you uploaded and you can re-upload them under your new account name. --Spankart ^(talk) 13:53, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Or in you preferences you can you set you signature preferences to sign you name as such that it look like: "--Danny M^(talk) HH:MM, DD Month YYYY (ZONE)" and coup that with Setting you User page to say you are Danny M. Such that it would not matter that you account name does not match. --Roguebfl ^(talk) 19:33, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Some revenue generating ideas

1. Web rings: The Consumer's Spanking Video News & Reviews site has a banner ad link to the Spanking Web Ring. Joining that, and similar groups, would bring in more visitors and make the site more attractive to advertizers.

2. Web sites: The Spanking Video Review Page has an extensive directory of all sorts of related news, art and info sites. I would think they would include this site to that list if you approached them. Especially since they have a page here so there is mutual back-and-forth traffic. That would boost the number of hits as well. They must get quite a few visitors as they have dozens of banner ads from many major video producers listed under Favorite Links. I'm sure there are dozens of popular sites where a similar arrangement can be made to generate more hits.

3. Ads: The Lupus Pictures home page has links to both of those review sites, which must work out nicely in terms of traffic for all three of them. I would approach every video producer out there, big and small, and offer a sweet deal where they can have a banner ad for a free trial period of X number of months, followed by a small fee. In exchange, they would include a link to Spanking Art at their home page, thus increasing the traffic.

4. Videos: Nu-West used to accept submissions of amateur films that they would cobble together into anthology videos for sale. You could try something like that. Amateur Spankings (amateurspankings.com) also started out that way and they seem to be doing pretty well.

The same idea could be applied to publishing a newsletter (offered for free at first) or books/magazines of fan fiction and artwork.

Jameslovebirch 15:00, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Jameslovebirch, that's some good ideas. More visitors are always welcome, they bring potentially new editors/authors/image donors too. As to whether we should or should not make this wiki, which is currently completely noncommercial, commercial in any way (e.g. by ads), I won't take any position; we should also discuss this with our host Anime OTK -- but frankly I'm personally not too keen to push the question. One issue we have to consider in the discussion is that anything commercial requires at least one person to give up anonymity, I think, for legal reasons. I wouldn't want to be that person. --Spankart ^(talk) 10:23, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

[edit] From Corpunisfun

Hi Spankart, I'ts Franco, (Corpunisfun) How are U? This site seemed to be down, or gone, etc, etc...and now I'm on it again, and forgot how to move around, upload etc. I'm having trouble authenticating my emial address...I keep sending out requests and nothing happens. I got one back yesterday, but it said the link was expired...Am I doing something wrong??

Bottoms up!

Hi Franco, good to see you back! I'm very well, thank you, and I hope the same for you -- I haven't heard from you for a long time. Yes, the site is occasionally down, unfortunately, because Anime OTK (our new host) is too popular and their servers are often overloaded to cope with the traffic. If this happens, just wait a few minutes or hours and try again. Spanking Art:Welcome is a good starting point, and if I can help you further how to use the wiki, I'll be more than happy, just let me know what your questions or difficulties are. I see you're using a different login now, in 2007 you had used the login User:Corpun. That user account should still exist, have you tried signing in with your old username Corpun and your old password? As to your troubles confirming your email address, I'm not sure what could be the cause. Let me know if that issue persists and I'll see what we can do about it. And once again, welcome back! --Spankart ^(talk) 10:05, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi Spankart. Thanks for your cordial response. I did get my emial confirmed, it just took a few tries. As to that male posterior image, I think it once was possibly a magazine scan, from years back...but I've seen it alot in various "butt" sites on the web. I have other generic posterior shots, that are more specfic in few to the cheeks and less of a whole model.

Hi Spankart. I had a thought about that pic, which is you could delete it, and I could crop it, so the focus is on the cheeks...make it more generic. Just a thought.

I'd like to contribute some thoughts, but I wasn't sure if I should branch out in this area. I know that people have had wonderful memories, or have been made into spankos by watching a spanking, but do you think that there would be a good thread about a voyeur watching a spanking, a witness that both parties in the spanking don't know about...would that be under the heading of Watching a spanking or voyeurism??

Corpun.... Thanks again for all of your support to me. It is greatly appreciated. And, in case I never mentioned, If you are the author of my (Franco's) description, I loved how you described my drawings. Thanks again. Corpun (Franco)

You're most welcome! If you want to see who wrote what in an article (and when), you can consult the history of the article -- since this is a wiki every article can have more than one author, and the history preserves every edit.

I deleted that pic because no matter how much it has been posted elsewhere, it is most likely still copyrighted artwork and since we don't know the photographer we can't ask for permission to license it under GFDL. Cropping it wouldn't help: a cropped section of a copyrighted work is still a copyrighted work, unless that section is so trivial (e.g. blue sky) that it's below the threshold of copyright.

As to your question, that would be a very welcome contribution, especially when it's written in the factual, encyclopedic style that we favour. We already have an article witness that describes the witness role in a spanking scene. If you want to extend that, you could do that e.g. under a new heading "Secret witnesses", "Voyeur witnesses" or similarly. Or if you would prefer a new article, I would favour the lemma voyeur. --Spankart ^(talk) 10:38, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Greetings...well I did my first edit attempt on "Voyeur", I uploaded a drawing specifically to embed in the article, but it won't go there...I got a link to upload, but I ended up uploading the same drawing twice, and it still isn't in the article. I don't know what I did wrong...I did manage to include some interal links to appropriate words...but I'm not good at this...

Thanks Franco (Corpun)

The drawing is perfect for the subject, thanks a lot! I deleted the duplicate image, inserted the image into the article and also made a major edit, hope you don't mind. By the way, when you use the "Information" template, don't type anything in the first line after the word Information, that stops the template from working -- enter text only in the lines that end with an = sign.

When you upload an image it is not inserted to any article -- it is just an image that sits there in the Image: namespace of the wiki, ready to be used in one or more articles. To actually insert the image into an article, you need to edit that article and insert the image using the double square brackets notation, the "thumb" qualifier and a caption -- just see the code of any article that has an image for an example. --Spankart ^(talk) 09:29, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Spankart. The editing you did on "Voyeur" is perfect. Again, thanks for your assistance..!

Corpun